Rob Galbriath Forums shut down!

[Event-Photos UK]

Hi All,

Just got this when replying to a thread I was involved in;

The RG DPI forums are closed to new posts while we negotiate the sale of the forums to a suitable new owner. Please read the Forums Closure FAQ for more information about why we're doing this and what it's likely to mean going forward. - Rob Galbraith

May be a lot of photogs looking for a new home!

[Stemmy]

Wow - how do I get their member list !!!! :dance2:

[tonymidd]

Their ACTIVE member list may be of use. Like most forums less than 10% of the members actually contribute anything constructive. Those that do contribute generate a closed shop feeling which deters others from joining in.

[David Worthington]

Their ACTIVE member list may be of use. Like most forums less than 10% of the members actually contribute anything constructive. Those that do contribute generate a closed shop feeling which deters others from joining in.


You are so right Tony, I was one of the first members on the MPA forum (#9) and i seldom post for that very reason that you outlined, in fact in about 4years i have made about 60ish posts...... look at my record here - over 100 in about 2 weeks !!!! so guess where i will be sticking my 4p worth !!

This is a great forum/facility/group of mates.... and whilst I would wanna see it grow I would hate it to become like some of the others esoteric ones about.

[tonymidd]

This is a great forum/facility/group of mates.... and whilst I would wanna see it grow I would hate it to become like some of the others esoteric ones about.

There is a danger that this could happen, there is a hard core of posters who if we/they are not carefull will give out the wrong signals. Well over 500 members, less than 20 regular posters........
I'd also like to see a bit more depth in some of the crits, difficult I know, but when nearly every shot gets 'that's great' or similar one liner it becomes a little meaningless. It also makes it more difficult to make a constructive comment designed to overcome what the person making that comment sees as a fault.

[DennisB]

Sad to say, I have felt that about this forum now for a couple of months. I still peek in for a look, but rarely feel like posting. On the up side...I get out more often now :snap2:

[Stemmy]

Funnily enough I have noticed that the critiques I was giving were a bit lame. I have made a point of being more specific.

There are currently around 60 Unique visitors per day to the forum. Maybe we are a bit guilty of being a bit too bland in our comments about pictures.

Any suggestions to keep the forum "Fresh" would be appreciated.

I dont think its a talent issue when you look at some of the images posted.

So first suggestion - More detailed Critiques.

Next !!

[David Worthington]

Funnily enough I have noticed that the critiques I was giving were a bit lame. I have made a point of being more specific.

There are currently around 60 Unique visitors per day to the forum. Maybe we are a bit guilty of being a bit too bland in our comments about pictures.

Any suggestions to keep the forum "Fresh" would be appreciated

So first suggestion - More detailed Critiques.

Next !!

yep i would go with that, i have held back a little or said nothin at all to be on the safe side..... so to get the meaningful ball a rollin i post this here instead of the crit corner..... say what you will - I first hung my photos ( before turning pro) some 22 years ago on a public railing in Liverpool city centre I HAVE A THICK HIDE !!!!

I have today learned a neat way of dealing with suitable images to give them a dramatic arty farty look..... whatdoyathink ?

[Wineman]

I will always post a critisism if one is needed. If it is not I will give praise.


I expect critisism when I post and actively encourge it as it help me to up my level. I don't like softly softly - just tll me how it is!

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

The RG DPI forums are closed to new posts while we negotiate the sale of the forums to a suitable new owner.


I would "suggest" and of course this is my own opinion and based on my expereince as a IT perfessional....

"sale" may mean someone is trying to make a profit out of a email list....

Any members of this forum may want to think about their email list falling into spammers hands, if (AND IT'S A BIG IF) the sale goes to those who do not respect private things...

[Stemmy]

Dave

Do you know I had never seen this beach before until I went to he MPA critique for the images submitted to Photographer of the Year. There were loads of them.

I like the picture. Maybe if you could have retained a bit of detail in the statue it would have been better. Maybe taken a couple of exposures one fo the satue and one for the sky and then a photoshop blend.

The clouds are superb. The composition works well. The horizon is straight(which is a common mistake). The tone is nice.

What would you do with this image ? - would you hang it on your wall or do you think it would sell as a local scene. Does and image always have to have a purpose ??

God see now look what you have done - We are asked to give more indepth crits and Ive gone all philosophical !!!

My view its a really nice image I just dont know what you are going to do with it now. Its like the shed picture if you know what I mean !!!

Edit --- I would also remove the two splodges (thats a very technical photography term) on the image - one bottom left and one to the right of the statues leg.

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

yeah.. I agree with him... :)

[tonymidd]

Hi Dave,
Martin's gone all philosophical, maybe that's because this can be seen as a very deep and philosophical image. Man(kind) looking towards a stormy future.
I really like this, so much so can I buy a copy? I'm off to Scotland in a couple of days time so Dave can I contact you when I get back? It's a, if not the, most thought provoking image that's been posted on this forum. OK the subject may be poular with the NW MPA but I've not seen it before and it has had an effect on me, maybe the time of the year?
My only compositional crit, is there a tad more below the base of the statue as it's very close to the bottom edge. The 'splodges' Martin mentions don't bother me.

[tonymidd]

Any suggestions to keep the forum "Fresh" would be appreciated.



One thing I've noticed is that since the chat rooms started there 's been a tendancy by some to refer to an 'in' joke or happening in the chat room on the open forum. This does give a cliquiey feel to some posts which to some can be very off putting. Now I've nothing against chat rooms for those that like them and want to indulge, but don't let them overflow into the main forum.
Also this is 'marketed' as a professional forum but some of the posts are, to put it mildly 'childish'. These sort of threads usually end up with just two or three participants and would IMHO be better off in a chat room. Now I'm not suggesting that we turn into a navel contemplating bunch of BOF's or SOG's living on their past achivements such as populate another professional forum run by the Friday mag; but one can have a laugh without resorting to infantile comments. Remember a prospective client may read your posts here and make a judgement on you from them.
You may feel I'm being a BOF but if the things that have spoilt other forums are not pointed out this one could, no would, go the same way and that'd be a shame. But I am giving it a :stir:

[tonymidd]

[quote=Stemmy I like the picture. Maybe if you could have retained a bit of detail in the statue it would have been better. Maybe taken a couple of exposures one fo the satue and one for the sky and then a photoshop blend.
[/quote]

Even better take 5 or 7 spaced shots and use HDR in Photomatix; that's if you want a lot od detail or complete control over the blend.

For me the ambiuguity of the statue greatly adds to the overall effect of the image. You could say that the building on or near the horizon could be clearer but again that ambiuguity allows the viewer to interpret in their own way.

[Dotty.c]

I think you will find tony, that in jokes, are infact the result of several members chatting on MSN, not the forum chat room, as one who pops in to the chat room from time to time, I can assure you that most of the chat is absolute rubbish and on a good day, just general chit chat about family, the same as friends would over coffee, although from time to time we do manage to have deep and meaningful conversations, but not often. We have no wish to lower the tone of the forum, our only wish is for this forum to remain a friendly place where photographers of all levels feel happy to post and know that their work wont be rubbished, but I do agree with you that some of the comments are a little wishy washy and I hold my hand up as one who does that, I for one will try to be more objective in my critcs.

[BarryM]

err all of the above :D

I dont think there is any overspill from chatrooms or msn talk into the forum threads, i do feel maybe more indepth criticism is called for, good or bad. Im also guilty of saying " nice shot", but i think thats when i cannot offer any criticism but still want to respond to somebody's effort of showing their picture.

Il try improve on that though.

[David Worthington]

Which is the title for the shot of the statue on the beach.

Seems to have had a +ve response in posting that so thanks for all the comments, which serve to make me think a little more about the shot.

I remember many many years ago ( in the 60's i think !!) I saw a postcard in a "hip "shop. It depicted a shop counter stretching to infinity and a man standing at the counter ( it was a drawn image) the caption read "I am fed up with this life, can I have another one please" !!! I wondered when i read the comments (esp from Tony) was this thought still in my mind when I took the shot !
There is detail in the statue but i thought it would be more thought provoking if the figure was less descernible and therefore more enigmatic, the sky and sea are eternal, and on a grand scale, they are enduring things whilst man is only here for a short time, just passsing through. He stands at the threshold of an eternal place.

I was not interested in the detail of the sculpture HE represents us all ( It was not an architectural record shot that would be copyright theft !)


I only went for a blow of air along the beach and then suddenly i find the meaning of life, heck whats happening on this ere forum !!!:nut:

( Tony, I have sent you email )

[Bindii]

As one of the 'fluffier' posters on the forum I feel that I probably should reply to some of the posts in this thread....

I rarely post an indepth so to speak critque as I feel that I don't have the neccesary skills or experience to give the right advice, my photography is average at best and I feel that any critisism I could give would be brushed off as 'what does she know anyway'. However if I see a new post I generally like to acknowledge that I have seen it by leaving a short note (sometimes this also serves the purpose of 'bumping' the thread to the top so other more experienced posters can critique the shots). As Barry said I if someone has taken the trouble to post a pic then the least that we should do is comment on the shot. The vast majority of members here are happy to sit on the sidelines posting the occasional pic - to recieve comments on their own photographs I presume - yet they choose not to reply to other members posts....thank goodness we don't all think this way.

I love the friendly feel to this forum, and I apologise if some of the more 'childish' threads have offended anyones sense of proffesionalism as a poster or photographer. In my humble opinion I feel that the friendliness of the forum makes it easier for less experienced posters (like myself) to ask questions and recieve critque about their photography. Its very daunting for an inexperienced photographer to post a pic on a site that is dominated by 'pros' - especially if the critques are harsh, too technical and unforgiving. Like it or not a few lighthearted threads helps to break the ice and make the forum more 'newbie' friendly. I have actually found that very few threads refer to either conversations in the chat room or msn, instead I think that you will find that mostly they are refering to posts in other threads on the forum - freely available for everyone to peruse and respond - if one chose to look further than just one or two threads. The chat room serves its purpose; as its an ideal place to get some immediate and in depth advice from some of the more experienced members, in addition to being a place where we are able to catch up on the day to day mundane happenings in our lives - after all I seriously doubt that photography is the only subject that we are capable of communicating about.

Dennis I am sorry that you don't feel like posting as much as you did before - you have alot to contribute to the forum and your posts have been missed...

Tony you also have a many talents that you are able to contribute to the forum; it would be a shame if you decided that because of a few threads that you no longer enjoyed your time visiting here.

I have more to say but too little time.....:)

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

Just for the record...

I do this for fun and aim for a light hearted approach,
so if I offend, and I am at fault, I'm the first to say so..

If it was work, Martin would be paying us...

Though he did mention that once...... ;)

[tonymidd]

A quick reply to some of the points you raised.

In my book the opinions of anyone are usefull, infact those from 'experts' can in many cases over look the objective behind the photograph. This can be especially true of some pro's who don't do any personal work, and there are a lot of them around.
Usually I'd only comment on work in the crit section unless the author has asked for comments, don't have the time to cover everything on the site. As there are so many sections it's not always clear if crit is looked for on an image posted in one of these.
I don't think any of the comments have been ' harsh, too technical and unforgiving' ; hopefully when nessesary they are hard, fair and justified.
I stand by my comment that a lot of the banter is more suited to the chat room etc. In many cases this is a one to one exchange which comes over to a new comer as a clique, the opposite effect to the friendy openness that is desirable.
Like George I use forums as a relaxation but when nearly every photo is
'nice' 'awesome' etc it becomes a tad monotonous. I'm not the only one who must be finding the change in the feel of the forum not to their liking, maybe the only one to say something. Look back two or three months and see how many regular posters are no longer contributing; Dennis is not the only one.

[Bindii]

A quick reply to some of the points you raised.

In my book the opinions of anyone are usefull, infact those from 'experts' can in many cases over look the objective behind the photograph. This can be especially true of some pro's who don't do any personal work, and there are a lot of them around.
Usually I'd only comment on work in the crit section unless the author has asked for comments, don't have the time to cover everything on the site. As there are so many sections it's not always clear if crit is looked for on an image posted in one of these.
I don't think any of the comments have been ' harsh, too technical and unforgiving' ; hopefully when nessesary they are hard, fair and justified.
I stand by my comment that a lot of the banter is more suited to the chat room etc. In many cases this is a one to one exchange which comes over to a new comer as a clique, the opposite effect to the friendy openness that is desirable.
Like George I use forums as a relaxation but when nearly every photo is
'nice' 'awesome' etc it becomes a tad monotonous. I'm not the only one who must be finding the change in the feel of the forum not to their liking, maybe the only one to say something. Look back two or three months and see how many regular posters are no longer contributing; Dennis is not the only one.

You have some valid points in your previous posts Tony, and while I don?t wish to enter into a discussion on ?who? or ?what? is right for the forum I feel that you deserve a response at the very least.

If anyone thought that I felt that some of the critiques were harsh, too technical or unforgiving please forgive me; I have never come across a critique on this site like that ? however I have seen it all too many times on other photography forums?forums I no longer wish to post on due to the unfriendly ?feel? of the sites. I agree critiques should be fair and justified, and I am also a firm believer that if you can?t handle the criticism then don?t post your photo? for critique. I also feel that most photos are posted for critique whether in the critique section or not; after all I doubt that they have been posted so that we should disregard their presence. Having said that there are obviously photo?s that are posted for the sake of interest or amusement and they should be treated in the same lighthearted manner.

I stand by my statement that sometimes just posting a few nice words (and I?m trying to recall ever seeing the word ?awesome? used as a single word reply ? please correct me if I am wrong) such as ?nice shot? can serve to a) ?bump? the thread so other members may critique the shot in the appropriate manner or b) acknowledge that you have viewed and enjoyed the shot as well as appreciated the fact that they have taken the time to contribute to the forum - after all if no one contributed then there would be no forum to speak of. Perhaps if anyone has a more fitting response they might consider posting it in order to break the tedium of the less evocative replies.

As I?ve only been affiliated with the forum for a couple of months I?m unable to comment on who is or is not posting anymore; but I do know that in any forum you will continually get a rotation of regular contributors to the site. I guess that life moves on or the initial thrill of something new soon dissipates; for whatever reason some people will post in a flurry for a few months then disappear never to return. This may well be that they no longer find that particular forum to their liking, or it could be a myriad of other things. As one of the newer poster to this site I would like to say that if I wasn?t given the welcome that I was I would never have gone past my first post in the welcome thread?I never felt that there was any sort of clique here, and honestly I still don?t. Perhaps that?s just me; I do have a propensity to stroll into a room, make friends and feel at home immediately whether it be online or in ?reality?. We are all different, and as such I guess that we are all looking to gain varied things from visiting the forum; for some people this is knowledge, others critique and some its purely social. I think we do a good job of fulfilling all these wishes. However, as one of the more frivolous posters on the site, I apologise if I have slighted anybody or lessened anyone?s enjoyment of this forum by my posts; but I am who I am, I couldn?t be anyone else if I tried.

There is always a compromise, I?m sure that together as members we will find an answer to this issue that will ensure that the forum stays an informative yet sociable place to visit for all users.

Meanwhile, I shall take your advice on board and try to make an effort to include all posters in any threads that I contribute to. I also shall try to add meaningfully to any critique threads that I post in. :)

[Dotty.c]

My word Bindii, there are a lot of big words in that post, how much did you have to pay for some one to write it for you, you both have made strong points and on a personal level as some one who has been on the receiving end of one or two very unkind comments about my work, I like the feel of the forum now. I think it's now time for you Tony and Bindii to kiss and makeup XXXkissXXX

[Bindii]

My word Bindii, there are a lot of big words in that post, how much did you have to pay for some one to write it for you, you both have made strong points and on a personal level as some one who has been on the receiving end of one or two very unkind comments about my work, I like the feel of the forum now. I think it's now time for you Tony and Bindii to kiss and makeup XXXkissXXX

Oh no, I love Tony I truly think he is great....and as I said he has some very valid points. As a big girl I am able to read Tony's posts here and not be offended, everyone has the right to express their opinions.

As my parents would say this is not an arguement...its a debate...;)c

[tonymidd]

Oh no, I love Tony I truly think he is great....and as I said he has some very valid points. As a big girl I am able to read Tony's posts here and not be offended, everyone has the right to express their opinions.

As my parents would say this is not an arguement...its a debate...;)c

I feel the same way Bindii, you are great and a breath of fresh air, however kissing to make up would be nice even tho it has now't to do with the debate, here's my long distance one or two XXXkissXXXXXXkissXXX(I'm greedy).
The nice thing about our exchange is that it's not got personal, unfortunately that happens so frequently on other forums. Reasoned replys like yours I'll aways take on board, smart a**e one liners I tend to ignore.
So let the debate continue; hopefully with more contributors; without resorting to:nhl_fight but ending with a :drinks: and aXXXkissXXX( told you I was greedy).

[BarryM]

Some great valid points amongst all that. As to forums, ive just cancelled myself out of 9 i think it is so far, so only have this one and another going, this one has to be the most friendliest ive visted, and the help and advice ive had (from within chatroom) has been immense.

Anway back to counting sandgrains for my egg timer.

[Bindii]

I feel the same way Bindii, you are great and a breath of fresh air, however kissing to make up would be nice even tho it has now't to do with the debate, here's my long distance one or two XXXkissXXXXXXkissXXX(I'm greedy).
The nice thing about our exchange is that it's not got personal, unfortunately that happens so frequently on other forums. Reasoned replys like yours I'll aways take on board, smart a**e one liners I tend to ignore.
So let the debate continue; hopefully with more contributors; without resorting to:nhl_fight but ending with a :drinks: and aXXXkissXXX( told you I was greedy).

Be greedy, I happen to like greedy...XXXkissXXXXXXkissXXX

I try not to take anything personally - well not for long anyway...:)

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

HEY HEY HEY!!!!

If there's any kissing to be done i THIS forum it's ME to do it!!!!

Right then...

Tony... come here lover lips...

:whistle3:

[Bindii]

HEY HEY HEY!!!!

If there's any kissing to be done i THIS forum it's ME to do it!!!!

Right then...

Tony... come here lover lips...

:whistle3:


Sorry Tony's lips are..erm...otherwise preoccuppied...

Shush...it's okay...don't get upset...little one....Just remember that you suck.;)c

And that I get all the kisses in this forum....

[Steve Stamford]

This is my first post on this site and may well be my last, I have been reading it for a few weeks but only just registered.

Bindi, I?m sorry, this ?nicey nicey? exchange is making me feel nauseas, I read the slanderous and defamatory remarks you and others on this forum made for no apparent reason and certainly without justification about Event-Photos, when all Ian did was introduce himself. Between you he was accused of ?running a scam? being a bad business and should be avoided at all costs, all this based on on nothing other than ignorance.

I am an event photographer based in Surrey, I got in to this line of work just last year after being in the Military Police for over 20 years. I did much research on the subject before making any decision I went with Event-Photos.co.uk

After having several meetings with Ian, I paid the £750 and it was the best £750 I ever spent. The training at events is great, its hands on, getting dirty and learning much about how to be successful by your presentation. But it doesn?t end with the photography side he teaches you how to sell yourself on the phone or in person, how to plan your accounts, everything you need.

The knowledge and reputation Ian has in the photographic industry is inspiring. With his guidance in my first 10 months I have turned over in excess of £46,000 with a very high profit margin.

Late last year I ran in to personal difficulties resulting in my bank accounts being cleared out and credit cards maxed out. Without hesitation Ian lent me money and paid my mortgage for 3 months so I could get things together without the worry of possibly losing my home and before you make another guess, the interest rate, all Ian asked was that if in the future I could help someone out, to return the favour.

This part is made with Ben & Carl Okura?s permission.

Ben is just 18, lives in Pimlico east London. Ben had been emailing Ian for over 6 months wanting to get in to photography and wanting to attend events just to watch, due to his age, Ian could do nothing for him. On his 18th birthday last October, he had his brother drive him to meet Ian, they had no money and limited credit after a few meetings Ian loaned them a printer, camera, lens and software to get started because of Ben?s enthusiasm Ian helped when no one else would.

I just got off the phone to Ben and he says that since November he and his brother Carl have earned about £12,000 each doing mainly dinner dances at hotels, they have now bought all their own equipment out right.

Ben just told me that Carl says if anyone upsets Ian they will have to answer to him, he will not see such a good man get ?dissed? (his word) in public.

You and others here owe Ian a big apology.

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

Hmmmm interesting....

Both you Steve and Event's IP Address are VERY close,
(86.129.23x.xxx 86.129.23.xx) for being so far apart....

Also.... Your "Join" date by my records is the 18th April...
Of course you "may" have been only "browsing", but then
again you may have only logged into this site today.

You "may" actually be Event just with a different name....
But then again.. I "may" be wrong...

Having been a PROPER Policeman (not a pretend one)
for 6 years in the Met, I'd also say that this 750 quid
thing sounds like a con...

There! Said it.. Got a problem with it?

[Steve Stamford]

I'm in the office at Ian's house processing images from the weekend and I just registered today so I could reply.

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

Of course you are...

I believe you..

[Steve Stamford]

Are you suggesting MP's are not real?

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

No not at all... As real as you and I.

[Steve Stamford]

Good for that, I thought I was going to have remind you how much better our pensions are than the wooden-tops :)

Oh and how we always out drank you!

[Bindii]

Hey Steve and big friendly welcome to the forum for ya!

I’m sorry that you felt the need to make your first post a little on the shall we say negative side but I have decided that its always best to let bygones be bygones.

But me being me, I just can’t resist replying to your post…and if you have been reading the forum for the last few weeks you would have been expecting this…
So hey no hard feelings and stuff like that okays….
Strangely enough I actually noticed when you first joined up; and being a curious sort of gal I couldn’t help myself and clicked on your public profile, I noted that you were a event photographer; promptly put two and two together – which by the way adds to Ian needing a little backup….but what the hell I get the whole ‘boys club’ thing so I’ll let it slide….
I’m happy that you felt that that the money you gave to be accessed for your ‘job’ has worked out alright for you, I’m disappointed that your ‘boss’ was unable to a) defend himself by supplying facts instead of half facts and b) had to enlist a helper to back him up..…lol


I can’t wait to meet Ben…I like young boys….they are very tasty indeed…..;)c

Nuff said...now show us your bits!

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

I'm ex army as well... I know....

Ok...

Let's cut the crap....

Ian / Events only started posting on this website
to advertise his own site, and to perhaps gain more
people from it...

This is a no no.... Agreed... This site is not for advertising..

As a "copper" you should know yourself, anyone offering

"if you pay loads of money, I might give you work"

does sound like a con.... Perhaps it is... perhaps it isn't..

It is my duty as a moderater to point this out to people
who can then make their own judgement...

I'm not wrong...

[Steve Stamford]

You are both so wrong.

Ian has not spoken to me about this since Sunday, I asked earlier when I got here if anything had happend and all he told me was he was dealing with it with the site owner.

If you met him you would know he does need anyones help to defend himself, he is very articulate.

If you want to know more about him why not talk to him instead of pissing him off? He is a nice guy and genuine so am I!

As to his reasons for joining, only he knows his motives while the rest can only guess and you do seem to do a lot of that.

Bindi, you got it wrong, read my first post, it says what training I got for the £750 but you'd rather ignore that as it would spoil your post.

[Bindii]

You are both so wrong.

Ian has not spoken to me about this since Sunday, I asked earlier when I got here if anything had happend and all he told me was he was dealing with it with the site owner.

If you met him you would know he does need anyones help to defend himself, he is very articulate.

If you want to know more about him why not talk to him instead of pissing him off? He is a nice guy and genuine so am I!

As to his reasons for joining, only he knows his motives while the rest can only guess and you do seem to do a lot of that.

Bindi, you got it wrong, read my first post, it says what training I got for the £750 but you'd rather ignore that as it would spoil your post.

Jesus, 20 minutes for 12 lines...some of us; contrary to popular belief have to sleep sometime tonight...

Oh no I didn't choose to ignore anything; all I stated was that I am pleased that you feel that you got your moneys worth...all the more power to ya! I have never once said that Ian is 'ripping people off', I merely asked him if I chose to hand over the the 750 pounds and if he decided that I wasn't what he was looking for did i get a refund...no reply from Ian...understanably I took that as a no. I did try talking to Ian, he responded defensively or not at all.... As for him not needing any help to defend himself...the proofs in the puddin babe...

I sure hope that Ian is getting somewhere with his discussions with the site owner....

*this is where I start wondering if Ian has the ability to astro travel since the site owner is currently away....*

Hey you know what, your nice, Ian's nice, I'm extra nice as are an awful lot of other members here...why don't we have another go...join in with the rest of us in the forum. I'm sure that we are all adults here...except for Ben who will be my yummy boy if he shows...and as adults surely you guys are able to look past the last few threads and partake in the fun....I know I can...can you? :)

Edited cause i can't spell at 1 in the morning....so shoot me..

[StagePhotography.co.uk]

From what I, and many other users here, saw he was
purely marketing his own website.

Surely not everyone who agrees with me can be wrong?

That's the end of the matter.

Now I do not want this going any futher and head
towards a slagging match (from EITHER view point).

Now to "quote" Ian's website...

"Due to the amount of time each new enquiry requires, we do make an upfront charge of £750.00 to audit, advise, CRB check and assist with all aspects of the event photography business. This payment does not necessarily ensure you of being accepted as an Event-Photos event team."

Audit what exactly?

Advise what exactly? you mean training?

CBR check costs 15 quid as far as I know..

The last sentence says it all...

Now this whole issue blew up because some member (rightly)
voiced their concerns regarding this, and I was one of them.

If it's worked for you. Great. Good on you and I wish you
all the best. I'm mostly an event photography myself.

If you want to keep going on and going about wonderful Ian,
fine, do it in an other forum, not this one.

If you want to discuss this further don't post here.
It will be deleted.. Either sides...

Want to discuss? Here my mobile.. 07958 718922.

I'm closing this thread, and may delete it later.

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please start a new one with the correct headings.