Would like help with a Fashion Shoot, how is best to approach photographers?

[sammz]

Hi

I am a less experienced photographer and am wanting another photographer to help me shoot, or to shoot and i assist in shooting my new season range of clothing for my online store. I am also keen to learn a thing or too during the process as i want to develop my knowledge etc.

I have access to a network of photographers that specialise in this kind of photography, some more, some less experienced.

Is it unlikely that i might find someone that would be interested in shooting with me for free with the benefit being pictures for their portfolio?

In addition, who would own the copyright?

I'm unsure how to pitch this kind of thing, any suggestions appreciated.

Thanks in advance
Sam

[Chris Hawkins]

In addition, who would own the copyright?

Thanks in advance
Sam

Whatever is agreed - it's a myth that a tog owns the copyrght by default.

[simonpaul64]

Whatever is agreed - it's a myth that a tog owns the copyrght by default.

Good point. If you commission a tog to shoot something it's likely that you would agree ownership of the copyright at that time as part of the agreement.

As for the rest of your question - you seem interested in TF type arrangement. Typically (not always) that would mean an amateur tog trying to build a portfolio with a view to going pro or simply for the fun of it. I do that sort of stuff myself - giving models a CD of images for example as payment for their time, and my time being unpaid also. The downside there is that the tog is therefore learning and may not get the results you want. Depends what you are looking for, the products and what quality of final work you need.

So - in principle it is possible, although it's a bit of a gamble. If you don't want to gamble, pay the money and get a pro.

Where are you and what is the product line?

[sammz]

Thanks both for the info.

I am in North London

All images on the site were taken by me, but am looking for more that just basic studio images from my next shoot.

Thanks
Sam

[lostmysnorkel]

I'm doing a bit of TF* studio stuff at the moment to build my experience a bit.

If you want we can discuss things further?

[John Godwin]

Hi Sammz. My name is John and I am a commercial photographer who is looking to move into fashion photography. I have assisted fashion photographers in the past and have extensive portraiture experience.

I'd welcome the opportunity to take the lead in a fashion shoot and am confident I could give you some high quality shots: #link deleted#

You can find all of my details on the contact section, and there are a few examples of my other work in there. I am in London, too, so travelling is not a problem.

Copyright issues are a simple fix, I would give you complete ownership with me having a license credit and permission to use them for non-commercial purposes in my portfolio. :)

Hope to hear from you soon, mate

Cheers

John

[John Godwin]

Oh, sorry to add, the reason I posted here was because the forum wouldn't let me PM you :)

[simonpaul64]

Seems like you have some good options there Sam. Having seen your previous shots they aren't bad. It seems like you already have some lighting equipment, background etc. When you say you want more than basic studio shots - you are still looking for studio shots I assume - just a bit more pizzazz/professional look to them - that right?

[crazy monkey]

Whatever is agreed - it's a myth that a tog owns the copyrght by default.


I hope you don't mind but I would just like to clear up the copyright point.
As a commercial photographer it is close to my heart and the most important point after my fee. LOL

Unless agreed otherwise the photographer always owns the copyright, that was the purpose of the 1988 act.
For this arrangement not to be valid would involve others that could argue that they set up your camera, composed it, set it, and lit the subject, leaving you to press the button.

The author or creator of the work is also the first owner of any copyright in it,*the only exception to this is where the work is made by an employee in the course of his or her employment.

This is like any other form of physical property which can be bought or sold, inherited or otherwise transferred. Your moral rights last as long as the copyright unless you waive them.
So, some or all of the economic rights may subsequently belong to someone other than the original creator or first owner with an agreement in writing signed by or on behalf of the creator.

Prior to the act (ie before August 1989) a commissioned work belonged to the commissioner of that work such as a wedding for example. But only if the work had been paid for by the commissioner at a reasonable rate.

:) Hope that saves any confusion :)

This has already been sorted by John Godwin in his post which is the correct way to go about these things.

CM

[Chris Hawkins]

Thanks CM - that's what I meant - my wording was poor :-)

[sammz]

Hi All,

Thank you all for the constructive advice.

I posted a similar question last night on a popular networking forum where models, photographers etc tend to chat... I wish i hadn't now, i never realised that SO MANY people would have so much to say about ownership ..:)

Sam

[John Godwin]

Hi Sammz, how can I contact you? A contact link was deleted from my post for some strange reason, it was just a link to my website.

[Jayne_yorks]

Hiya John as a new member you must have at least 50 posts or be a subscribed member to post any links clickable or not, this is to safeguard the forum.....:)

[tinysmall]

Hi Sammz, how can I contact you? A contact link was deleted from my post for some strange reason, it was just a link to my website.

Only premium members or those with over 50 posts are allowed to post links. It's a privilege that is earned through contribution to the forum and is in place as one of the measures against spammers and to help stop the forum being littered with irrelevant links if people don't stay around. It's not a personal thing and is explained in forum rule number 3. :)

[Jayne_yorks]

Just to clarify also the PM facility is only available to premium members , i.e those who pay the very reasonable £10 per year to help pay for the forum to continue, you don't have to subscribe but most members find the fee very reasonable for the help, and advice they get..after all a tenner is only 2 photography mags in real terms :)

[John Godwin]

Ah, OK, no problems. Yes, £10 is a very reasonable price to pay

[tinysmall]

P.M. sent.