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    Beginner needing help with starter camera choice

    Hi there,

    I need help big time...
    I'm starting a photography course in the new year, I haven't decided which one yet but looking at Institute of Photography unless anyone knows any better ones?

    I'm a complete amateur with digital SLRs, I've only ever used digital cameras before.

    I was looking at the Canon 450D and the Nikon D90 but the D90 may be a little out of my budget (unless they come down in the January Sales).

    I went to currys to see which handled the best, I thought the Canon may be better as its lighter and its currently £469.99 and then there is £50 cashback. The canon comes with an 18-55mm IS lens and you can also get the Tamron 70-300mm lens for £99 when bought with the camera - I thought this was quite a good deal but then I saw a deal for the Samsung Digital SLR Camera Kit - GX-20 Twins Lens Kit with 18-55 and 50-200 Zoom Lenses at £576.49 Delivered.

    I'm going to wait until the xmas sales start to hopefully get a good deal, but I wanted to ask which you guys thought was the better deal and better camera to start out with?

    I take photo's of extreme close ups, portraits and outdoor landscapes - would the lenses I've mentioned cover these or would I need to buy more?

    Also I'm looking for a really good photo printer, can anyone recommend any good sites?

    I thought the best way for me to learn would be to jump in and play around with it. Reading your discussion I can see I have lots to learn.

    If anyone could help it would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks

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    Have you considered ...

    ... the Canon EOS1000D? Even on Amazon you can get it with an Image Stabilised kit lens for £380 (amd a cashback offer from Canon). You could also get the body only and hunt around eBay for the standard none-IS 18-55 kit lens and that should still come in cheaper than any of the options you mentioned.

    I applaud your willingness to jump straight in. I tried it the hard way to begin with, reading about f stops and ISO ratings and focal distances and shutter speeds ... and you know what? It doesn't matter. Once I started taking pictures and experimenting with different settings, it started to make sense. I could actually see what difference it made if I shot a picture at f1.8 and then took the same picture at f11. You learn that way, the lesson sticks. You read it in a book, it's all jumbled up with everything else and you're trying to remember too many things at once.

    I think my advice would be to concentrate on getting used to your kit lens for a little while before you go out and buy more lenses. I made the mistake of going out and getting other lenses when I first got my SLR, I got caught up in having this great camera and wanted all the accessories. Truth is, I never use a single one of those lenses that I bought in the early days. Once I got used to my camera and the strengths and limitations of the kit lens, I knew exactly what I needed from new lenses. I purchased a 50mm f1.8 prime lens for portraits, and a Sigma 70-200mm zoom lens for architectural shots and that suits everything I like to shoot (you'll probably need a macro lens on top of this). I could have saved myself some money if I'd just taken my time in the first place. As someone who only got their first DSLR a year ago, I hope this advice is some help to you!

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    Hi there,

    there are a lot of wise words in your post, especially the fact that you have tried a few cameras to see how they feel to hold. If it's not comfortable to use then you are on a loser right from the start.

    I got my first DSLR about five or six months ago, a 400D and then had the urge to go out and buy loads of lenses. As a result I have a Sigma 10-20 that I hardly ever use, 300 quids worth of lens just sat in the bag. Darren's advice to just play with the kit lens for a month or three is good advice. You can look at the photos you are taking, see what sort of photos you are drawn to and what focal length you seem to use the most. If you find that you mostly want to go a bit wider or want a bit more reach then that helps you make an informed choice on your next lens. I know you've mentioned in your post the type of photos you indend on taking but, once you start experimenting, you might find other types of photography start to appeal as well.

    As for learning, just play around with the camera, read the manual and visit forums like this. It'll help no end. I would recommend a book called 'Understanding Exposure' though (sorry, author's name slips my mind at the minute) as it's truly excellent.

    Like I said, I've only been 'into' photography for a few months but it's a great hobby, a steep but enjoyable learning curve and very rewarding. Enjoy.

    HTH
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    AVOID the mainstream high street....decide on your kit and consider used before you jump.. there are some beautiful cameras on the secondhand market and lenses to match If you get a kit, dont get to drawn in by thesecond kit lense thing of 90-300 etc.. settle on your camera and then try it out with the standard lense..Canons usually come with the18-55 which ive gotta be honest is a good lense considering its cheap...canon 450 1000s are cool but check prices. My advice is look at places suck as bristolcameras, mpbphotographic,warehouse express, for deals before you venture into the slightly more expensive places such as currys dixons and jessops.I shoot with a 40D and still use my 350d as a backup body and it marches on.The guys on here are well helpful and the advice is better than youl get in your average high street store. Christmas and then SALES dont forget...sime
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    The D90 is BY FAR the best camera in it's price range without doubt but it is costly for a begginer. I can't comment on Sony or Olympus but Nikon kit lenses generally give better quality than their Canon counterparts although both are pretty good. Remember as well that if you go for entry level cameras from either Nikon or Canon, they don't have an inbuilt focusing motor so you are limited to the lenses that will work on your camera (all will work to some extent but any non AFS/EFS lens will only be manual focus). For Nikon, anything above and including the D80 has a motor built in. You should look at the D80 to be honest as it's a very good camera and can be had for a bargain now. I agree about the lens though, just stick to the supplied kit lens untill you figure out exactly what you need.

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    Hi Guys,

    Thank you for all your help. After much hunting around I have ordered the Nikon D90 and 18-105mm kit lens for £671 which I thought was too good an offer to refuse plus I liked the handling of this camera, I feel it will be a good camera to start off with.

    I've decided to take your advice and play with the kit lens for now, I'm sure in a couple of months time I'll be ready to shop again.

    Also I've ordered a few books including the "Understanding Exposure" book as you suggested, as reading all the reviews about it, it sounds ideal.
    I've also ordered a dvd on the nikon d90 which I think will help me more than any manual.

    Also any ideas on the best software? I can't afford Photoshop just yet but I hear elements v7 is good?

    Just got to wait for delivery now
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    Elements 7 will be perfect.
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