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dark hair and dark backdrop...oops!

Discussion in 'PhotoShop & Editing Tips, Tricks and Tutorials For' started by bluebottomedfly, Feb 24, 2012.

  1. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    I made the mistake of photographing my dark haired daughter against a black backdrop and not using a separation light.

    There was actually quite a lot of light spilling on the background as I dont have a lot of space so it needs darkening to hide the creases, but obviously my daughter's hairline then disappears.

    If I try blurring the background it looks streaky and messy.

    I want to keep the pic as I like the pose.

    Any ideas anyone?

    Posting the pic so you can see the extent of the problem.
     

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  2. carlb40

    carlb40 Old Hand

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    Can't help with the editing. If you can, next time try and get more space between your daughter and the BG. It will make life easier for you :ok:

    Nice pose BTW :)
     
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  3. tenchy

    tenchy Rain maker Administrator

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    when doing this in the house, try and get yourself backed right up to the wall, subject as close as needs to be, then BG as far away as possible.
     
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  4. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    I need a bigger house, I wonder if my hubby will agree to us moving so I can get more room :)
     
  5. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    Done this with Nik Viveza
     

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  6. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    Now added some blur and a fairly strong vignette
     

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  7. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    Oh thats nice, looks like shes in the spot light. Is this with PS?
     
  8. Jeremy S E Rundle

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    I think you need an iron
     
  9. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    Yes it's with photoshop plus the plugin for PS called Vivesa but it's quite expensive
     
  10. FlashBangWallop

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    You're not too far out with the original, Blue

    If you can get her a few more feet away from the backdrop (I know you said space was tight so look for a better one imho)
    and flag the light from falling on it would be better
    and as you mention a hair light with her hair already dark would be better
    Flag it with cardboard or anything to stop the light spilling onto the back

    Flyers lifted the subject nicely - but the background looks naff now
     
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  11. carlb40

    carlb40 Old Hand

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    Nik do trials of their software - you get a 15 day trial for all of their software

    http://www.niksoftware.com/
     
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  12. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    Does this look any better? I dont mind her looking like shes sat on a curtain so long as its not too messy looking. What do you think?
     

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  13. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    One final try I've "ironed" the backdrop as much as I can and played with the vignette slightly. If you're struggling to get what you want and the files not too big to email you could email it to me and I'll do the best I can for you, but if you want to persevere yourself no offence will be taken.
     

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  14. carlb40

    carlb40 Old Hand

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    That looks much better.
    You can save yourself a lot of grief next time if you can iron the BG first? or get a dedicated one and keep it rolled up rather than folded
     
  15. tenchy

    tenchy Rain maker Administrator

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    now you have a good background and a good subject, time for some layers...

    a quick edit layering the head from flyers onto your darker one. Needs more work but you get the idea

    wzuxw2df.jpg
     
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  16. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    Thankyou Flyer, that would be great if you are sure you dont mind. Can I get your email address please?

    I'll try to edit myself too, I'll try to get the plug in, and yes I will re-shoot, ironing the backdrop (I was hoping to avoid this) and I'll try introducing a hair light and a flag on the fill light.

    Can I ask, when adding a hairlight, do I need to turn down the other 2 lights? Im wondering if it might all get a bit bright.
     
  17. tenchy

    tenchy Rain maker Administrator

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    no for the hairlight, a snoot is good, and meter back of head to be about same as keylight, or maybe lower, can't recall exactly now. (looks for backup...)
     
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  18. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    My email is [googled away] I'm sure the mods will delete it once you acknowledge you've got it but it's not a problem as it's on several websites I author.
     
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  19. bluebottomedfly

    bluebottomedfly Well-Known Member

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    Thankyou, just sending it now :)
     
  20. Flyer

    Flyer Here a lot Premium Member

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    OK I'll take my time with it, it may be late tomorrow or even Sunday before I get it back to you as I've got quite a busy day on tomorrow.
     

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