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Fuji Users ** Updated & sucessful workflow

Discussion in 'Photography Chat Forum' started by Minor Problem, Nov 30, 2017.

  1. fmw

    fmw Active Member

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    Congratulations on the the new T2. I'm a Fuji X shooter as well. The problem with your images is not due to RAF conversion. It appears to be due to motion blur. The image is soft and no amount of post process will make it sharp. I suspect your equipment is probably fine. I recommend going back to that location with a tripod.

    The "worms" people talk about in dealing with RAF files are fairly rare and don't seem to appear in Capture One. I haven't been able to reproduce them in Affinity either. I don't see them in your images for that matter. I think you need to review your camera management. It aoften fails with new equipment until we become accustomed to it. Your equipment is capable of startlingly sharp images. So is your post process.
     
  2. Minor Problem

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    Thanks for your input. My observations weren't based solely on this one file nor am I unfamiliar to decent equipment handling techniques. My D800 requires exceptionally good handling to get the best image quality from it and I've managed the odd sharp image from time to time.

    The small crop posted is deliberately from an area behind the focussing plane and dof which was out of focus, my concern was the way in which the areas that were slightly out of focus were rendered, I thought I'd made that clear in my original post, if not I apologise for any ambiguity.
     
  3. fmw

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    OK. But I still don't see any worms so your editing software is handling the RAF files competently.
     
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    Did I mention worms anywhere? I am pretty sure my issue was the slightly painterly effect visible after acr rendering that was less evident in the same file ran through capture one.
     
  5. benhben

    benhben Here a lot

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    How are you getting on with the Fuji workflow? Are you still using iridient?

    I got an X-T2 before christmas and noticed for the first time the other day the wormy foliage issue. Edited some RAF taken in the lake district without pixel peeping and saved them. When looking at them full screen areas of trees and grass had a really poor resolution. When zoomed in there were weird washed out detail across them and wavy lines which I guess are the "Worms" people refer to. Noticed it on a few photos subsequently also. Only seems to show up in grass and tree branches.

    Tried Iridient to convert to DNG and edit. Whilst it was an improvement it still wasn't good.

    Thinking of trying the Capture One demo but dont really want to learn and pay for a new system. Its annoying as I love shooting with the X-T2 but my RAW files from my old 20mp 70D were cleaner in Lightroom.

    I will try and upload some screenshots later.

    EDIT: It seems much of the problem is due to the sharpening process.

    http://lindsaydobsonphotography.com...rans-iii-raw-processing-with-adobe-lightroom/

    http://petebridgwood.com/wp/2014/10/x-trans-sharpening/
     
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  6. chaz

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    This guy shows the painterly/worm effect
     
  7. MikeB

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    Interesting video.
    While I'm fascinated by the under-the-hood differences between raw files, most photographers just want their software to produce the results they expect. Lightroom, especially when paired with Photoshop, is extremely versatile. But Lightroom's sharpening of X-Trans raw files creates artifacts at any level except 0.

    You can use Lightroom for sharpening but have to be more careful with the Sharpen amount and very conservative on the Detail amount. Comparing a TIFF created by RAWdigger and the parent RAF raw file in Lightroom, it seems that Lightroom's sharpening process uses a behind-the-scenes edge mask that misinterprets transitions in the RAF for edges (this is the "painterly" look) and then the Detail slider overcooks those edges. This is a function that clearly works well for Bayer sensors but creates artifacts with the X-Trans sensor. Even setting the Detail slider to 0, the edge masking function still produces artifacts. Transferring to Photoshop without any sharpening does seem to work well.
     
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    @Minor Problem Barry, Sorry been offline for a long while and just saw this thread. I suffered with this problem for a while on fine detail when using the Fuji XT2 and XPRO2 for a while and initially had to use Iridient but this screwed with my colour balances as all my colourchecker profiles are in lightroom. I then came across a landscape pro (Pete Bridgwood) who used fuji and used and tweaked his presets. This got me 99.9% to what I was getting out of Irident but with better colour. You can check Pete's settings here: http://petebridgwood.com/wp/2014/10/x-trans-sharpening/#more-1432
     
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    I am using a combination of both. Importing initially into Lightroom with a flat preset and zero sharpening and if it's a file with some foliage issues that I want to work on then I've been running individual files through Iridient. It saves me time and storage this way.
     
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    Thanks for that David, very useful info.
     

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