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Nikon D610

Discussion in 'Photography Chat Forum' started by Shaunmbs, Feb 11, 2018.

  1. Shaunmbs

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    So guys I’m still relatively new to the whole digital photography stuff. Many people have told me that although a crop sensor camera is good there no where near as good as a full frame (not intending to start a debate here) Currently I have a D3300 and have the option of getting a brand new D610 on the cheap. I will be keeping the D3300 aswell so I will have two. I will only have one lens with for the D610 to start with and that will be a nifty. I was wondering what people thought of this choice and if it’s a good investment.
     
  2. Kevin Fox

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    First, that statement is wrong. It depends on what you want to do with the camera. Wildlife needs the crop sensor, landscape might need full frame. You can get the same results on either. The D500 will blow away most full frames out there. Bottom line you are taking the same picture with either, the crop will just have less of it. If it was me, id go with the D750. The 610 is really dated.
    The glass is more important. Cheap glass on any body will not give you good results.
     
  3. Gremlin

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    What makes you say the D610 is really dated Kevin?
     
  4. Ogofmole

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    Don't always believe that you need the latest equipment to take good photos. It is how the camera is used that is important, I use both cropped sensor and Full Frame and simple compacts, all have there own pros and cons, but one thing that is important is having good lens. My Full Frame body (D700) is now 10 years old and has over 380,000 activation's on it and still going strong.

    Advantage of Full Frame is the low light capability for me, so idea for music gigs etc and some sporting events. But for wildlife or aviation I use Cropped Sensor for that extra reach, Compacts are for when I don't want to lug DSLR around with me and for caving.
     
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    All most all the medals you see in my profile were taken with a D600 and I still use it today, one of the most underrated cameras on the market to my mind, if you can afford it then buy it, you will have better DOF, less noise at higher iso’s, the ability to crop into more of the image and a dynamic range that can take on a camera twice it’s price.
     
  6. johnnypanic

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    Have a D610 and it is a wonderful camera. Yes, a D750 would be better, but a lot more costly. Go get that D610, you'll not regret it, especially if you get it at a decent price.
     
  7. Shaunmbs

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    We’ll as I said I will be keeping the D3300 (albeit at the entry level side of the crop sensors) aslo so will have a crop and a full for various scenarios. I didn’t mean to start an argument in the post I was just wondering what people’s thoughts were about the D610. At the minute as some of you may know I’m working with a small home studio on the children only. The occasional trip out I take the camera but mostly home shots of the kiddiwinkles
     
  8. MikeB

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    The D610 is a fine camera and if you feel that the crop sensor is holding you back then moving to a full frame may benefit your photography. Even better is having recommendations from D600 owners.

    But, There is a lot of myths regarding full frames that need to be dispelled. The first being that full frames provide better image quality. It is no longer true and hasn't been for several years. Comparing a D610 to a crop camera of the same generation may put the camera in good light but sensor technology has improved significantly year-to-year since 2013 so that many of today's crop sensors have better dynamic range, higher resolution, improved ISO, as well as higher resolution Live View panel, WI-FI, GPS, etc. As sensor technology improved, Nikon and Canon started to add more pixels so the inherent benefit of a bigger pixel is compromised. Today, a crop sensor having the same pixel size (same sensor generation) will just as likely be equal to larger sensor for image quality.

    A full frame will deliver a wider angle of view for a given lens because of the bigger sensor and better control over depth of field (it is shallower). Beyond that, there is very little difference between a crop sensor and full frame. A definite positive to the D610 is having 2 memory cards but its fastest shutter speed is no greater than a crop camera.

    The sensor is the most expensive part of a full frame camera for the manufacturer to make or purchase. Consequently, to keep entry-level full frame cameras affordable, the manufacturers skimp on other aspects of the camera such as build quality.
     
  9. Shaunmbs

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    So I’m right in thinking that the D610 is an entry level full frame just like my D3300 crop?
     
  10. fmw

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    No subject "needs" a particular format. All digital formats can capture all subjects. If the glass is more important then the 610 should be OK, right?
     
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    This^^
     
  12. Kevin Fox

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    There is no right answer. The 610 is Nikon's entry level full frame. It really depends on what you want to do and how far into photography you want to go. I'd go and compare all the stats if each body and decide. The 750 is incredible in low light.
     
  13. Roger S

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    The D600, D610, D700, etc are listed by Nikon as "Semi Pro" cameras. That in no way infers that they are any less or any better than comparable full frame cameras.
     
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    Forgive my ignorance but what is a semi pro full frame compared to a ‘pro’ full frame
     
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    Basically, the biggest difference is price. Both my D50 and D200 were pro cameras back when they were built, although they are crop frame. However, in today's terms, the difference between a new D700 and a new D850 is around a thousand quid. And then you get to the D5 and you are now looking at around £7,000. :D
     
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    I think I’ll stick to the D610, I’m getting it a bargain price of £800. The camera is brand new never used. We’ll not go into how I came about this but I assure it’s brand new. As I said I’m still a relatively new tog and if I feel the need I outgrow the camera when the time comes I will get a better/newer one. This one willdo me fine for now.
     
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    Sounds like a win to me. It’s a lovely piece of kit.
     
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    Just about every label used with marketing cameras mean little when it comes to practical considerations. Yes, the 600 was the "entry-level" full frame for Nikon just like the 6D was the entry-level full-frame for Canon.

    Entry-level does not mean the camera is not capable of producing fantastic photos. It does however reflect differences in build quality (lower quality of materials used, less weather and dust proofing, reduced durability), sensor (reduced ISO range and Dynamic Range); shutter speed (typically 1/4000 rather than 1/8000), buffer (slower buffer and slower writes); auto-focus (slower and possibly less accurate).

    As mentioned, full frame sensors are very expensive to produce. To make the model a smaller step up from crop cameras in price, entry-level full frames reduce other aspects of camera build and functionality.

    Every camera and every lens represents some form of compromise. It is better to understand what it is you actually want to accomplish and then find the camera and lenses that satisfy you for a cost that you can bear.

    The price you have for that camera is excellent and looks like a great buy.
     
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    I can't remember very making a photograph with specifications. I've never considered a camera as a means to get further into photography. Cameras are tools. What matters is who uses them, not what they are.
     
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    Cameras are indeed tools, as with all tools some are better suited for specific purposes than others and some are tools give a better quality finish than others. Sure they person behind makes the image but tool selection helps give better quality results if all other variables remain constant.
     
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    Are you serious. If one wants to do wildlife, sports, birds in flight etc, does one want a slow frame rate? No. I want a fast frame rate. If one wants to shoot in low light, does one want a camera that is good there etc etc etc etc. Different bodies can give you more tools then others. That is call specifications. Stop quoting all the typical quotes out there and think about what you say. Sorry to say, when I upgrade, it's for the future also. Any camera can take a picture, if your happy with that, then great. I buy gear according to its specifications. Anyone who doesn't is just throwing money out the window.
     
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  22. Minor Problem

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    Fmw isn't the op Kevin, he just hopped into the thread to stir things up in case we were bored of making sense.
     
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    oops. Still the same
    My thoughts exactly. I was waiting for the, The most important part of a camera is the 12" behind it, quote.
    I just shot images at iso 6,400 and they came out great. Can a 610 do that, oops, that's a specification. Not supposed to say that...
     
  24. Minor Problem

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    My D800 turns to mush before then. It's a horses for courses thing, there's little doubt that the 600 and 610 are excellent cameras in almost all situations but it's the extremes where cameras tend to specialise and perform differently. Fast tracking af situations, high iso performance for astrophotography and low light sports/wildlife, shadow detail performance, skin tones, etc.

    There are very many great cameras out there but very few cope perfectly in all scenarios. The 600/610 is a very fine landscape and portrait machine and will cope well with wildlife and sports in fair conditions. It doesn't have the weather sealing and magnesium chassis build of the more costly models but that doesn't affect performance it just enables you to have a bit more confidence out in inclement weather and if you happen to drop or bash your camera.
     
  25. Shaunmbs

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    Guys, I wasn’t starting a debate I just wanted to know peoples thoughts. I’m not expecting it to be the best camera on the market I’m not stupid. I know you get what you pay for blah blah. All I want to know is it a good enough camera for a first fx?
     

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