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If not google, what do you use?
I don't use chrome , but instead use opera, which may be a chrome clone, I've not ever checked.
It's rather difficult to get away from microsoft, google or apple on our devices and I assume these companies manipulate/ cater information in ways that will best get pertinent advertising directly to me. After all, when something is free the real product is us, the consumer of that item.
Opera used to use it's own rendering engine, they have now switched to the chromium engine, just like Microsoft has. There are now only 3 rendering engines in use, Mozilla (firefox), Chromium (Chrome, Edge, Opera, others), Webkit (Safari and whatever Linux KDE has for default).
 

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There are, however, ten moderators on the forum and each post containing a photograph or two should have at least 10 comments or tips or critique or whatever in my opinion. If moderators set the example and commented on most posts, as they used to, then other members would join in too. Some moderators are just not around any longer.
I think this would have some unintended consequences with site administration doing that much posting -- this site would just reek of being over-moderated, for one. Then there's the issue of dogpiling or threads just dying out if there is a difference of opinion with a member and administration as it would make people "take sides" on a topic.

Seems like the Premium Members should take the lead on something like this. PMs apparently see the value in the site to the point they decided to pay for the pleasure of participating. So maybe some extra participation for the good of the site might be warranted.
 

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I think this would have some unintended consequences with site administration doing that much posting -- this site would just reek of being over-moderated, for one. Then there's the issue of dogpiling or threads just dying out if there is a difference of opinion with a member and administration as it would make people "take sides" on a topic.

Seems like the Premium Members should take the lead on something like this. PMs apparently see the value in the site to the point they decided to pay for the pleasure of participating. So maybe some extra participation for the good of the site might be warranted.
A valid point - I mentioned it because when the forum was thriving most moderators posted on most threads that had a photograph and comments were often critique/how to improve things. As a new member in the first six months you knew that you’d at least have some feedback from your posted photographs which was encouraging.
 

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I know I haven't posted anything for ever, not having a camera anymore etc, But in all honesty I wouldn't want all the moderators having to comment I would much rather comments were because they wanted to not because they HAVE to.
Sadly forums do have quiet times though, life gets in the way.

Whilst im here @Kevin (ksdg01) I owe you an apology, I shouldn't have called you what I did, having a bad day but not really an excuse.
 

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So, the secret is to make a thread about how quiet it is ;)
 

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I know I haven't posted anything for ever, not having a camera anymore etc, But in all honesty I wouldn't want all the moderators having to comment I would much rather comments were because they wanted to not because they HAVE to.
Sadly forums do have quiet times though, life gets in the way.

Whilst im here @Kevin (ksdg01) I owe you an apology, I shouldn't have called you what I did, having a bad day but not really an excuse.
A valid point about not having to post but instead keeping a natural feel and wanting to post.
In regards to calling me a ****, don't worry about it, I actually had my big boy pants on the other day and it was just like water rolling off a duck's back.
 

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If not google, what do you use
I use Firefox Quantum and DuckDuckGo as a search engine. In addition, I use Cookie Autodelete, HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger and Adblock Plus as Firefox addons. I also use ExpressVPN when I'm browsing and only drop that once I've investigated and got to know a site is secure.

None of the above is any good if you're daft enough to use the likes of Faceache or Twatter though - you voluntarily give away your privacy then.
 

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I use Firefox Quantum and DuckDuckGo as a search engine. In addition, I use Cookie Autodelete, HTTPS Everywhere, Privacy Badger and Adblock Plus as Firefox addons. I also use ExpressVPN when I'm browsing and only drop that once I've investigated and got to know a site is secure.

None of the above is any good if you're daft enough to use the likes of Faceache or Twatter though - you voluntarily give away your privacy then.
Wise advice indeed
 

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None of the above is any good
A lot of this would deter common privacy issues, but when things like super-cookies are about or if there's another machine on the same local connection (another computer or a mobile phone, or even the likes of my other half's net connected food blender) that isn't running this type of protection that can be tracked and then associated. And then I'm not entirely sure about mobiles having to connect to the same network, especially Android based as when the family come to stay they aren't allowed access to the local area network, but if they've been here a few days adverts for things they've been looking for start popping up on other stuff just because the devices are localising themselves with whatever sensors they've got.
 

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None of the above is any good if you're daft enough to use the likes of Faceache or Twatter though - you voluntarily give away your privacy then.
What aspects of your privacy are being voluntarily given away?
What information is being provided by internet surfing and what makes a site secure in your opinion?
What is you definition of privacy in regards to the internet?
 

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What aspects of your privacy are being voluntarily given away?
What information is being provided by internet surfing and what makes a site secure in your opinion?
What is you definition of privacy in regards to the internet?
Blimey, I could be writing that reply all weekend. :eek:

Do a basic internet search on what Google, Microsoft (mainly via Windows 10), Faceache and Twatter collect about you by default. You can turn a lot of it off, but at a guess I'd say more than 80-90% of people wouldn't know how to - or rather don't bother as they either don't know or don't care.

What do we have to hide? Well, nothing really, but it's the fact that they can do this is what I object to - it's the principle more than anything. I have human visitors to my house and they don't go through my underwear drawer or wardrobe. They don't have a rummage through my bank statements to see how much I've been spending and on what. They don't go into my shed or spare room to see what my hobbies are and make suggestions on how much better I'd be if I were to spend more of my money on something else to improve that hobby.

Yet, most people are happy to let internet robots do this. In addition, the data they collect is shared with whoever asks for it or pays to get access to it - all without our permission. :mad:
 

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Blimey, I could be writing that reply all weekend. :eek:

Do a basic internet search on what Google, Microsoft (mainly via Windows 10), Faceache and Twatter collect about you by default. You can turn a lot of it off, but at a guess I'd say more than 80-90% of people wouldn't know how to - or rather don't bother as they either don't know or don't care.

What do we have to hide? Well, nothing really, but it's the fact that they can do this is what I object to - it's the principle more than anything. I have human visitors to my house and they don't go through my underwear drawer or wardrobe. They don't have a rummage through my bank statements to see how much I've been spending and on what. They don't go into my shed or spare room to see what my hobbies are and make suggestions on how much better I'd be if I were to spend more of my money on something else to improve that hobby.

Yet, most people are happy to let internet robots do this. In addition, the data they collect is shared with whoever asks for it or pays to get access to it - all without our permission. :mad:
Fair enough. I'm still on Win 7 and looking for alternatives to Win 10. Apple is not an option as I refuse to pay that much for a name. Leaving the options to pay for Win 7 updates or switch to Linux or other second party software or continue with Win 7 anyway.
In regards to Facebook and Twitter, there certainly is a sharing aspect to those sites as they are social networks. I am uncertain if they know my internet buying habits but have observed their advertising mimicking products that I've browsed.
Personally, I don't know what hard data (bank statements, actual purchases, tax return info) is shared, if any vs soft data (browsing, chat logs, photo forum postings) I've always felt that if a product is free to the consumer to use then the real product is the actual consumer. Weren't Microsoft giving Win 10 away as a free upgrade on Win 7machins when it first launched?
I did look into purchasing a VPN product and the salesman I spoke with was insisting that I should make the purchase with cash so "they couldn't track me." No doubt about it, it's an interesting world we live in.
 

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A friend of mine was talking to her husband about buying some new shoes (only talking mind you), next time they logged onto fb low and behold there was shoe adverts in the sidings. ...
Are these things listening to us???.. I cover up my web cam but not the microphone
 

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Are these things listening to us???.. I cover up my web cam but not the microphone
They most certainly are - especially mobile phones; Cortana, Siri, Amazon Alexa etc. Again, a quick net search will bring up the proof with demos etc.
 

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A friend of mine was talking to her husband about buying some new shoes (only talking mind you), next time they logged onto fb low and behold there was shoe adverts in the sidings. ...
Are these things listening to us???.. I cover up my web cam but not the microphone
we got rid of Alexa for this very reason
 

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Seems like the Premium Members should take the lead on something like this. PMs apparently see the value in the site to the point they decided to pay for the pleasure of participating. So maybe some extra participation for the good of the site might be warranted.
In what way Kevin? its not just for being able to Pm and a couple of other things, for me as I enjoyed the forum it was to help towards the upkeep of it and not just leave it to Stemmy to carry it all. I do come on every day at some stage though dont post as much, I do contribute regularly, usually to try and get newbies coming on to go to the "who are you!" thread, not being a fantastic photographer I wont criticize so much but will give encouragement to people. I dont mean to insult any one but did notice there one only other PM had posted here other than Sean/ Paul and Roger. Going back to Pauls OP I do go on another well known forum which is far quieter than here.
 

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I do go on another well known forum which is far quieter than here.
There's a couple of specialist forums I'm on and both of them have been like that this last few months, one is not surprising as it's seasonal and this season has been very bad, but the other apart from one of the mods spamming his own business ventures has been a proper ghost town (but that has ended up so over-moderated, folk are just not comfortable with it).
 

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In what way Kevin?
If a new member asks a question, contributes to a thread or posts some pictures, that member is in fact interested in getting their question answered, having a relevant reply to their contribution or feedback on their photos or whatever else is relevant to their post. If a new member wanted to post in the 'who are you thread,' a real throw away/ roadblock thread, if the above conditions are true, they would do just that.
 

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.....<snip>....If a new member wanted to post in the 'who are you thread,' a real throw away/ roadblock thread, if the above conditions are true, they would do just that
It is becoming very obvious that our ways of interacting on forums has taken on a real different feel that it was 10 years ago. Simple things like a new member immediately introducing themselves as soon as they joined has taken a nosedive off the manners list. It also appears that simple "thank yous" are also an endangered species.
But..... We have to adapt, unfortunately. Kevin you're right about the "Who Are You" thread. It can no longer be forced on new members. If they find it on their own, then great.
 
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It is becoming very obvious that our ways of interacting on forums has taken on a real different feel that it was to years ago.
Yeah, they have; I reckon it's down to things like Facebook where people are expecting instant all the time. I was watching the older niece earlier, and she posted something somewhere and threw a full on wobbly because people hadn't given an answer within 5 minutes; this modern generation wouldn't survive if they were forced to use an old BBS over dial up!
 

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It is becoming very obvious that our ways of interacting on forums has taken on a real different feel that it was to years ago. Simple things like a new member immediately introducing themselves as soon as they joined has taken a nosedive off the manners list. It also appears that simple "thank yous" are also an endangered species.
But..... We have to adapt, unfortunately. Kevin you're right about the "Who Are You" thread. It can no longer be forced on new members. If they find it on their own, then great.
No doubt that competing social networks/ forums have changed over the years and I'd suggest the 'like' has replaced the 'thank you' in many cases.

this modern generation wouldn't survive if.......
Isn't this the oldest story in the world?
 

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Ok I really don't get the issue with the "who are you " thread. It's a friendly introduction, a little about you and photography, if someone directs a new member there it gives all a little insight to who they are and what their about.

Let's look at it a different way, you walk in to a room/party/ conference etc , you would go up to a group, shake hands, introduce yourself yes? You wouldn't just start talking randomly would you.
 

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Ok I really don't get the issue with the "who are you " thread. It's a friendly introduction, a little about you and photography, if someone directs a new member there it gives all a little insight to who they are and what their about.

Let's look at it a different way, you walk in to a room/party/ conference etc , you would go up to a group, shake hands, introduce yourself yes? You wouldn't just start talking randomly would you.
There is nothing wrong with one introducing themselves, however, if I started a conversation at a party but was instead directed to get a name tag and introduce myself first, rather than an acknowledgment of the conversation it would be rather awkward.
 
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