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Full Critique Tried something new, sliced an apple mid air

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It needs work, I know. This was really a test run, but I thought I would share and see what else everyone can see wrong. Hardest part, crouching long enough to take the photo :(

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Nicely done, Don.
 

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Looks great! I'm guessing this was setup with something holding the apples which you have cloned or cropped out? Either that or both or your timings are inhumanly perfect. Maybe for a future trial add some spray as slicing an apple would result in some juice spatter.
 

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Nicely done, Don.
Thanks.

Looks great! I'm guessing this was setup with something holding the apples which you have cloned or cropped out? Either that or both or your timings are inhumanly perfect. Maybe for a future trial add some spray as slicing an apple would result in some juice spatter.
Thanks. There were forks. On the right, it did not work so well, I had to crop because the cloning in PS was rubbish, I used the content aware, pretty much all I do in PS at any time, but it did not work well.

BTW, this was a three person setup, the model, myself (also holding one apple) and another holding the other apple half. We did have water spray, but I could not get a fast enough shutter speed in the dying light to capture it.
 

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BTW, this was a three person setup, the model, myself (also holding one apple) and another holding the other apple half. We did have water spray, but I could not get a fast enough shutter speed in the dying light to capture it.
It looks really good to being with but it might be worth retrying outside with better light. You could always try suspending the apple slices from fishing line or use chopsticks to make the cloning easier.
 

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It looks really good to being with but it might be worth retrying outside with better light. You could always try suspending the apple slices from fishing line or use chopsticks to make the cloning easier.
Yes, outside, or daytime, the kitchen is quite bright. The background made cloning hard, but also, it took forever, even in little bits, because the content aware assumed I wanted the fork still in there. It kept putting fork bits back in!

I really need to get down with it and learn photoshop better. I did not even open a new layer or anything, just did it.
 

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The background made cloning hard, but also, it took forever, even in little bits, because the content aware assumed I wanted the fork still in there. It kept putting fork bits back in!
I don't suppose you want to post the original un edited version? Have you tried using the patch tool? that is my go to clone tool in PS.
 

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I don't suppose you want to post the original un edited version? Have you tried using the patch tool? that is my go to clone tool in PS.
I just got an error I have never had before. Lightroom could not export it is with my usual Forum output settings, it could not make it 243Kb or less.

So, PS has a patch tool? :)
 

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I just got an error I have never had before. Lightroom could not export it is with my usual Forum output settings, it could not make it 243Kb or less.

So, PS has a patch tool? :)
I know next to nothing about LR but if you weren't joking, yes PS has a patch tool. :)
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, this was a three person setup, the model, myself (also holding one apple) and another holding the other apple half. We did have water spray, but I could not get a fast enough shutter speed in the dying light to capture
One thing good that's come out of this lockdown has been for people to explore their creativity. I like very much the direction you're going. Something you might be overlooking is that a flash will stop action far better than any shutter. There are a ton of videos out there like this
Also, try holding the knife in the down position as if it had already cut through, then drop the Apple halves from above.
 

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Also, try holding the knife in the down position as if it had already cut through, then drop the Apple halves from above.
My model was not being cooperative. Read above, they were not dropped, but held on forks. I agree, the knife should be lower.
 

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Read above, they were not dropped.
I read it, but was suggesting that you drop both pieces at the same time from above the knife. I did something similar several years ago with a golf ball, so it it looked as if the ball was headed straight for the camera after being hit by a golfer in the distance. Took a few tries to get it where Titleist 1 was perfectly oriented.
 

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Loving these concepts guys! I hope you don't mind but I am nicking both the staged apple slice and ball drop ideas for something to do this weekend. :)
 

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I read it, but was suggesting that you drop both pieces at the same time from above the knife. I did something similar several years ago with a golf ball, so it it looked as if the ball was headed straight for the camera after being hit by a golfer in the distance. Took a few tries to get it where Titleist 1 was perfectly oriented.
I did not want to try the drop method because of family issues: they did not want to help. I know it would take a lot more tries to get it correct doing it that way. I was trying to keep the set up simple. I did find the idea in a video of using the forks, and saw how simple, if enough light, you can set up and do it.
 

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To an experienced PS user the removal of the forks should be a piece of cake - no matter how difficult it first seems. I would suggest that if you intend to get creative with your photography, as in your apple fun then Photoshop is a must. The latest content aware tool is extremely powerful when you can select the areas you want to sample from. PS I like the apple shot. I'd love to see the original - maybe you could send it to a photo hosting site like postimage.org (free and super simple to use). Have fun Don.
 

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Tripod up Don. Take a shot without the apples and forks. Take one with, layer that over the first frame, and mask and paint out the forks to reveal the bg. Want to be taken fairly close together time wise to keep lighting same if not using flash.
 

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To the inexperienced photography eye Don that would look superb, I would like to have a try at your original shot, there always Dropbox as well.
 

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To an experienced PS user the removal of the forks should be a piece of cake - no matter how difficult it first seems. I would suggest that if you intend to get creative with your photography, as in your apple fun then Photoshop is a must. The latest content aware tool is extremely powerful when you can select the areas you want to sample from. PS I like the apple shot. I'd love to see the original - maybe you could send it to a photo hosting site like postimage.org (free and super simple to use). Have fun Don.
I used the content aware, it was ****. No matter how I tried it kept putting parts of the forks back in. There was also an electrical outlet and the edge of the stove in the background. That is my fault for not planing that out well. I have decided that I need to actually learn how to use Photoshop after having it for so long and only ever using it for cloning. That failed in this case.

Tripod up Don. Take a shot without the apples and forks. Take one with, layer that over the first frame, and mask and paint out the forks to reveal the bg. Want to be taken fairly close together time wise to keep lighting same if not using flash.
With my limited use of PS, I would never think to do that. I think I said above I saw this in a video so did it the way they did, but they did not go over processing, just the method of getting it in camera. However, I could have done a tripod for this, but given my assistants wanted to get back to playing their games and chatting with friends I did not switch when I was getting speed issues.
 

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With my limited use of PS, I would never think to do that. I think I said above I saw this in a video so did it the way they did, but they did not go over processing, just the method of getting it in camera. However, I could have done a tripod for this, but given my assistants wanted to get back to playing their games and chatting with friends I did not switch when I was getting speed issues.
I'm all for the easy life.
Layers, tripod and masks are your friends :)
 

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I'm all for the easy life.
Layers, tripod and masks are your friends :)
I am going to be taking a course, but I just hate the PS interface. Horrible design.
 
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